The phrase a new model of diplomacy is often used to describe the dynamics between civil society and governments during the anti personnel mine ban convenction negotiation process. This article compares the Ottawa process with the negotiations on the convention on certain conventional weapons protocol on explosive remnants of war. Was the new diplomacy successfully replicated, or was it just a one off? Even though many of the governments and non governmental organizations NGOs involved in the two processes were the same, there were many differences, including the nature of the relations between NGOs and states, and the stage of development of the two NGO campaigns. The article concludes by looking at what can be learn from these processes, particularly in light of continuing on cluster munitions